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Re: [LU-APRS] digi

Hola Pablo

Estoy de acuerdo que no es un DIGI (por ahora), por eso consultaba para no poner # , como esta funcionando ahora.
En los documentos de la página APRS , figura como DIGI no full, y con esas instrucciones lo configuré, y te agradezco lo que me enviaste, lo voy a chequear.
Por ahora la idea es la del 'gauchito' repetir estaciones en la zona con un handy con baja potencia.

En cuanto a la informacion de los LT  la obtuve de un documento que lo copio por si les interesa, pero que con 2 aspirinas no me alcanzó para terminar de entenderlo -:)

Cualquier consejo es bien recibido.

Saludos
Carlos LW6DO




----- Original Message ----
From: LU2APR 1G <lu2apr@...>
To: LU-APRS@...
Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2006 10:53:57 PM
Subject: Re: [LU-APRS] digi

Hola Carlos...
 
Convengamos algo, si?
 
Digis solo son las estaciones que repiten las 24HS, los 365 dias del año (dias mas o menos segun si es biciesto)
y esos se identifican con una estrella y en el listado es DIGI... lo vas a encontrar en el trafico como "#"
 
Ahora, si por algun motivo no puede estar las 24hs prendido los 365 dias del año... no es digi, es una estacion que
repetira (en forma de gauchada... por llamarlo de 1 manera) las estaciones moviles
Las estaciones moviles tranmites WIDE1-1... la configuracion correcta seria:
 
INT TERMINAL
HID OFF
CD SOFTWARE
UIDWAIT OFF
UNPROTO APN391 VIA WIDE2-2,SS2- 2
BEACON EVERY 0
BTEXT
UITRACE OFF
UIDUPE 30
UIDIGI ON WIDE1-1
CMSG DISC
CONOK ON
DIGIPEAT ON
ECHO OFF
HEADERLN ON
LFADD ON
MONITOR ON
MAXFRAM 4
MYCALL (Tu Licencia)
MYALIAS (Lo que te gustes, ej:Hurlin)
NUMNODES 0
PACLEN 255
SLOTTIME 16
DWAIT 16
PBBS 0
PERSIST 64
TXD 40
 
Esta es la Base... el dia que te pongas Full te paso la que corresponda.
Tambien tendrias que leer un poco en http://www.aprs. com.ar donde estan para bajar
los documentos y tutoriales que hicimos... como asi tambien leer las noticias donde
explicamos como fueron cambiando las configuraciones en base a los amigos que se
sumaron a este modo...
 
Cualquier cosa... tomate 2 bayaspirinas y llamanos... jajajaja!!! 

                     
                         LU2APR - Pablo
http://www.amsat. org.ar    http://www.aprs. com.ar
  lu2apr@amsat. org.ar           lu2apr@aprs. com.ar
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [LU-APRS] digi


Hola al grupo

Estoy configurando un DIGI con KPC3+ que funcionaria
algunas horas x dia en mi QTH (Hurlingham Bs As
GF05QJ),
actualmente estoy mostrando una estrella con una S.
La pregunta es, cual seria el icono mas correcto y
descriptivo para utilizar en este caso.

Saludos
Carlos LW6DO Hurlingham

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KPC3+ (PLUS) Version 8.3 Settings (and 9.1) WIDEn-N DIGIs 5 Apr 05
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Updated 18 Oct 05 to include 9.1 ROMS

This applies to all 8.3 and 9.1 ROMS running on the KPC-3+ (PLUS) TNCs.
With one small change (noted below), it also applies to KPC-3+ TNC's
running the last version of the 8.2 ROMS ending in "7265". The
difference is noted below in section 4) and "6E".

Typically, all KPC-3+ digis already support the basics of New n-N
Paradigm, that is, WIDEn-N digipeating. But there are better ways to use
these features that have been developed since January 2005.

The key to the new approach is to add path tracing to WIDEn-N and to add
TRAPPING of large values of N at all digipeaters to help eliminate out-of-
area large n-N abuse. The new approach traps the large n-N's at their
source, but still allows the user to be heard at least locally. These new
DIGI settings also support SSn-N state or section routing to allow for
larger N's but limiting their QRM factor outside of their states. All of
these New-N Paradigm digis are marked with an "S" overlay to indicate they
are new and support SSn-N routing (an "L" if they don't support SSn-N).

FIRST: RESET the TNC to factory defaults to get rid of legacy errors.
Then set the proper settings for APRS that are not the TNC defaults.
Set these as below:

INTFACE - Terminal. So you can enter the remaining parameters
HID OFF - These packets are of no value to APRS
CD SOFTWARE - For the best collision avoidance method
UIDWAIT OFF - To speed up the response

SECOND, eliminate the settings that are detrimental to the network.

1) UIDWAIT should be OFF. (the default). With it on, your digi is not
doing the fundamental APRS fratricide that is the primary mechanism for
minimizing channel loading. All digis that hear the same packet are
supposed to DIGI it at the SAME time so that all those copies only take
up one additional time slot. (but outward located digs will hear it
without collision (and continue outward propogation)

2) UIFLOOD should now be set to SS,30,ID to support your local State
or ARRL section nets (where SS is your state abbreviation). Notice
this is a complete reversal to previous recommendations that wanted
NOID to be set. Now we want ID ON. This is because we now will get
full path tracing for WIDEn-N in the UITRACE parameter. Also, with the
SSn-N paths, we can get FIRST and LAST digi identification if users
use the path of SS1-1,SSn-N. These packets will arrive as
DIGI1,DIGIn*,SSn-N, showing the first and last DIGI's used.

3) Properly set up the DIGI's beacon packet. Use the following
trick using the BLT, LTP and LT parameters for frequently alerting
local users to the DIGI's status every 10 minutes, but not propogating
these packets at high rates farther outward. The recommended way to
still cover the same area with decent 10 minute local and 30 minute
surounding copies is shown below. Go to the web page for all the
details: http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/digi-rates.txt

BLT 1 EVERY 00:30:00 START 00:00:00
BLT 2 EVERY 00:30:00 START 00:10:00
BLT 3 EVERY 01:00:00 START 00:20:00
BLT 4 EVERY 01:00:00 START 00:50:00
LTP 1 APN383
LTP 2 APN383
LTP 3 APN383 VIA WIDE2-1 <== One hop, but does not bring up WIDE1-1's
LTP 4 APN383 VIA WIDE2-2 <== equivalent to a user path of WIDE3-3>

This results in a local ID once every 10 minutes, one hop every 30 mins
and 2 hops every 60 minutes. Remember that 2 hops from a DIGI hits all
the same stations that a 3 hop path does from a home station. There is
a different method for DIGIs in very sparse areas that also provides a
WIDE3-3 beacon once every 2.6 hrs. See the web page above.

4) Your TOCALL in both the UNPROTO and the LTP's should use the
TOCALL of APN383 where APN identifies it as digipeater firmware. The
"3" identifies it as a KPC-3 and the "83" identifies it as ROM version.
NOTE, that settings for -early- version 8.2 ROMS are different and in
a different file, and that version 9.0 should not be used at a DIGI, or
should be upgraded to the 9.1 Kantronics release. See the APRS list of
TOCALL versions for details of this naming convention. Obviously if
you are using a 8.2 or 9.1 then use APN382 or APN391...

5) Your UNPROTO path for the BText should only be DIRECT (no VIAs)
since it is used for your local BText which might contain information
only of *local* value. A good thing to put there is an OBJECT indicating
the best local voice repeater for travelers passing through your
area. Be sure to include the lat/long, frequency and PL. Here is an
example APRS object representing a local APRS-CLUB voice repeater:

BText: ;APRS-CLUB*111111zDDMM.hhN/DDDMM.hhW$146760p107 in Charlottsville
BEACON EVERY 10
UNPROTO APN383

We used to suggest ECHOlink, IRLP or WinLINK objects here, but we are
hoping to get those automated via the APRS-IS and so the BText is now
available for other local info. Notice how the freq and PL are exactly
10 characters each for best viewing on a D7 or D700. The time field
of 1111111z is by convention a default for non-changing data.

6) IMPLEMENT THE New n-N Paradigm changes.

A. Set UIFLOOD SS,30,ID to support your SS State or SSSS ARRL section.
Since the geographic area covered by these DIGIs is limited, then the
damage for large n-N QRM is also limited. Notice we want ID enabled
and that this is different than before. Before we wanted NOID. Now,
with SSn-N we want ID ON so that we get first-&-last path identification.

B. Set UITRACE to UITRACE WIDE,30 so that now WIDEn-N is traceable.
This eliminates the need for the old WIDE,WIDEn-N path that used to
generate so many dupes. And eliminates the great ID-vs-NOID debate!

BB. Set UIDUPE to 30. This is a new command in version 9.1 roms.

C. Remove the obsolete "RELAY", "WIDE", "TRACE", and "SS" aliases which
are obsolete. Also the rearrangements of the UIFLOOD and UITRACE
parameters also get rid of the obsolete TRACEn-N system.

D. Set UIDIGI ON, WIDE4-4, WIDE5-5, WIDE6-6, WIDE7-7. These specific
aliases act like traps because this digi will digipeat them once and
then no farther. The closer you get to a high density area, the smaller
N's you should limit. In typical WIDE2-2 METRO areas, set UIDIGI to
include WIDE3-3,WIDE4-4,WIDE5-5,WIDE6-6. Also, if you are getting lots
of W4-1 packets, for example, from a distant city that is not trapping
4-4 at the source, you can also trap those specifically by adding WIDE4-1
to your UIDIGI alias list. For more on this be sure to see how we did
it in Los Angeles, and prevented anything above two hops from getting
into the Los Angeles Basin.

http://www.ew.usna.edu/~bruninga/aprs/fixingLA.html

E. SPECIAL NOTE FOR KPC-3+ DIGIS WITH THE LAST 8.2 VERSION 7265:
This ROM will not work right with WIDE1-1,WIDE2-1 mobile paths unless
one of the UIDIGI Aliases includes WIDE1-1. So in those digis, set
UIDIGI ON WIDE1-1,WIDE5-5,WIDE6-6,WIDE7-7.

7) Please set up the DIGI POSITION PACKET format to clearly inform
users what is supported using the CONSISTENT recommendations below so
that users can see from any digi exactly what the network is doing in
an area:

a) Always start with the PHGXXXX data (see my DIGIS.TXT file)
b) next, a list of capablities, such as "W3,SSn". This means this
digi supports WIDE3-3 and below and SSn-N paths only. (your state)
c) The overlay character between the LAT/LONG should now be an "S"
to show it as a new WIDEn-N digi under the New n-N Paradigm.
The "S" shows that it supports SSn-N. If it is new and does not
for some reason support an SSn-N, then give it an "L" overlay.
d) If you feel you must use the altitude /A=001377, please add it at
the end, not first. Since those first 20 bytes are what the D7
and D700 users see and the other stuff above is more important.
In my opinion, Altitude is redundant since the more valuable info
of height above average terrain is included in PHG.

CONCLUSION:

The best way to set up an APRS digi is to FIRST do a RESET or RESTORE
to FACTORY DEFAULTS to make sure you dont have any bad settings that
have crept into your system. Then the ONLY commmands you have to
change are the ones below. For the Local-Direct BText advertising a
local voice repeater, I assumed a local Voice repeater on 146.940 with
a PL of 107 for this example:

MYCALL XXXXXX
MYREMOTE XXXXXX
INTERFACE TERMINAL
RTEXT (your secret password string)
UNPROTO APN383 <== ID's the KPC-3+ ver 8.3 local,direct no VIA's
HID OFF
CD SOFTWARE

LT 1 !DDMM.hhNSDDDMM.hhW#PHGphgd/W3,SSn new digi in kalamazoo, etc
LT 2 !DDMM.hhNSDDDMM.hhW#PHGphgd/W3,SSn new digi in kalamazoo, etc
LT 3 !DDMM.hhNSDDDMM.hhW#PHGphgd/W3,SSn new digi in kalamazoo, etc
LT 4 !DDMM.hhNSDDDMM.hhW#PHGphgd/W3,SSn new digi in kalamazoo, etc
all of the LTexts should be identical so the Position Beacon
is not always changing and using up the new-posit LOG files
on every user's PC...
BLT 1 EVERY 00:30:00 START 00:00:00
BLT 2 EVERY 00:30:00 START 00:10:00
BLT 3 EVERY 01:00:00 START 00:20:00
BLT 4 EVERY 01:00:00 START 00:50:00
LTP 1 APN383
LTP 2 APN383
LTP 3 APN383 VIA WIDE2-1 <== notice this is a 1 hop path.
LTP 4 APN383 VIA WIDE2-2

UIDIGI ON WIDE4-4,WIDE5-5,WIDE6-6,WIDE7-7
UIFLOOD SS,30,ID <for your SS state or SSS or SSSS ARRL section
UITRACE WIDE,30 <makes all WIDEn-N traceable
UIDUPE 30 <new command for the 9.1 ROMS

Optional: Use only if there is a special APRS object you want to
always appear on maps in your area. Please dont do this unless the
object is of need to visitors or operators in your area. Otherwise
it is just QRM.

BTEXT ;APRS-RPTR*111111zDDMM.hhN/DDDMM.hhWr146940p107 Our club
BEACON E 10 <== every 10 minutes direct

That's all there is to it. Please don't diddle with any other
parameters. The defaults for those are the correct settings. If you
dink with them you can only make performance worse. Also please use
the consistent abbreviations for Wn,Sn so users know what is going on.

de WB4APR, bob



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