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Fw: What I'd love to see in Squeak

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  • Angel "Java" Lopez
    Hola gente! Supongo que varios de esta lista estan suscriptos a las listas de Squeak. Me atrevo a reenviar este email de mas abajo, porque creo que importa a
    Mensaje 1 de 1 , 1 feb 2004
      Hola gente!

      Supongo que varios de esta lista estan suscriptos a las listas de Squeak. Me
      atrevo a reenviar este email de mas abajo, porque creo que importa a alguna
      discusion que aqui se planteo. Cada vez que vuelvo a leer las listas de
      Smalltalk, y de Squeak, en particular,
      surgen estos temas. Al parecer, son recurrentes. Hay otros mensajes con
      otros planteos bajo este mismo titulo en la lista de squeak-dev, pero ya me
      parecio algo de abuso reenviarlos a todos.

      Que opinan?

      (Disculpen que no lo traduzca).

      Nos leemos!

      Angel "Java" Lopez

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Aaron Lanterman" <lanterma@...>
      To: "The general-purpose Squeak developers list"
      Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 3:41 AM
      Subject: What I'd love to see in Squeak

      > > I think that you may find Squeak to be an ideal medium for exploring,
      > > analyzing, and simulating electrical engineering ideas. It is fully
      > > capable as a computational tool, but is also highly interactive, visual,
      > Speaking from the ECE angle (maybe some of these already exist as a
      > Goodie somewhere, in which case pointers to them are appreciated):
      > 1) I'd love a read-eval-print-loop that acts like all the other
      > read-eval-print-loops I'm used to. This business of selecting text and
      > hitting alt-P or ctrl-P or whatever is driving both me and Sarah (the
      > student I have working with me) nuts for some reason. I want to type a
      > line, hit return, and have the result print on a new line. I want to be
      > able to hit the up arrow to select previous inputs, and use some sort of
      > completion to refine that, like in MATLAB.
      > 2) A standard multidimensional array class, built into the image, that
      > everyone can depend on and use in a consistent way. Squeak arrays as far
      > as I can tell are 1-D. (Maybe I'm confused on that and someone can help
      > me.)
      > If you want Squeak to win the Hearts and Minds of ECEs, or engineers in
      > general, having a built-in suite of linear algebra operations would be a
      > good thing. I'd love to see MATLAB type functionality in Squeak, where I
      > could do something like, say,
      > (((a square) + (b sqrt)) inv) matrixMult: c
      > to square all the elements of a, take the square root of all the elements
      > of b, and then invert that matrix and then multiply it by another matrix
      > c, all in one line. (I'm not really comfortable with mentally parsing a
      > complicated set of message send yet, so my Squeak code tends to have a ton
      > of parens, or else I get horribly confused.)
      > I've read that you folks are worried about "image bloat" - rightfully so -
      > but I'm concerned that if everyone has their own various different
      > packages for doing linear algebra, that would lead to a Tower of Babel
      > situation.
      > 3) As an aside, I've sometimes wondered if it might be a good idea to give
      > options for alternate syntaxes, which could be translated on the fly to
      > standard Smalltalk syntax - people could type code in a form they're more
      > accustomed to, and see it translated into standard Squeak code. Then
      > after they get comfortable seeing that, they may start typing more and
      > more in standard Squeak right away. Squeak with syntactic sugar - maybe
      > call them "SugarSqueaks." There could be "SugarSqueakFortranStyle,"
      > "SugarSqueakCStyle," etc. or something like that.
      > Basically, the shock of the initial appearance of Smalltalk has prevented
      > me from seriously exploring it for over a decade. (Well, that and you
      > could get Turbo Pascal for the IBM PC for $99, and who knows how much a
      > commercial Smalltalk from ParcPlace cost back them). Of course, Scheme
      > looked freaky the first time I saw it too, but I got over that. (It's
      > probably an experience issue, but it takes me a _long_ time to read a
      > piece of Squeak code and figure out what it does, relative to, say, Python
      > or Pascal or whatever. I will probably get faster at it.)
      > So, I'm wondering how to help others get over that initial shock, so they
      > don't just say "what the hell is this, this looks very cryptic" and not
      > dig further to find the good stuff.
      > - Aaron
      > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
      > Dr. Aaron Lanterman, Asst. Prof. Voice: 404-385-2548
      > School of Electrical and Comp. Eng. Fax: 404-894-8363
      > Georgia Institute of Technology E-mail: lanterma@...
      > Mail Code 0250 Web:
      > Atlanta, GA 30332 Office: GCATT 334B
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